This is the new standards discussion. OFF TOPIC POSTS WILL BE DELETED.

1) Keep it civil and respectful.

2) Keep it on topic3) Put thought into it.

Your mission is the creation of a statewide standard. The adoption of this standard is voluntary, however I am suggesting that all units that adopt this standard pledge to only work with units that have adopted it. This way we know who we are dealing with, after all we do business the same way. I am also pledging the support of the 42nd AIG in training all those who need it. I'm positive that the 46th SOC will also agree to help patriots that need help.

The entire purpose of having a standard between units is to enable units to be able to work together without having to have long periods of learning each others ways. In short, to allow interoperability between different units, and regions of the state to increase combat effectiveness. That's it. This is not a discussion of anything else. Here are the topics to be discussed:

1) Universal competency standards. This is the standard EACH patriot must be trained to. Basically this will be the "must be this tall to play". I would like to see the combat vets of this site make this standard. No offense meant to the non-vets in the room, but the simple reality is that you are not qualified to make this standard. Combat is the most hostile and dangerous place on earth, it does not suffer fools. We owe it to the patriots of the State of Washington to ensure that they are trained correctly.

2)Common Task Training. It is crucial that all members are performing certain tasks the same way, such as land nav. It is crucial that First Aid tasks are created and taught by qualified instructors. Same thing with Weapons and communications, and many others.

3)The creation of a statewide comms network. This way units will have a pre established way of making contact.

4) Standardized mission planning. This way the command staff of each unit is working the same way, and people are recieving the intel and briefing they deserve.

5) Other skills and tasks that should be standardized. I don't claim to know it all, I'm sure that Capt. K, and other smart guys here can think of topics that I have not mentioned.

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Just to start i am non military. But i think having vets automatically cleared as members of a unit could be a huge mistake. I know lots of combat vets that are perfectly normal people but there have been a few of my friends and acquaintances who are combat vets who are no longer fit for duty mentaly. that could create a very dangerous situation. Not to mention veterans can be criminals or felons, they are capable of breaking laws after they have served. i want to finish this post with i have nothing but respect for our veterans and i will be forever in debt for their services.

The lightfoots have done a lot of this and come up with a standard.. not sure if you knew that already.? Just my 5 cents

i think you missed the point of what i said, that or you are a felon and not happy that i said that we should watch out for criminals. are you in favor of having felons in our ranks?.

Trail, Larry Lee said:

Well Logan- do you know how to disarm landmines?  Do you know how to lay out an L shaped ambush?  Do you know enough about SALUTE to make an accurate report? 

In other words Logan, its not a "military vs non-military" so much as its "practical hands on experience vs Call of Duty".

That, is the difference.  You simply cannot exchange 4 to 30 years worth of hands on apprenticeship training and doing with reading manuals and jerking off to video games, I'm sorry it can't be done.



Logan [46th SOC] said:

Just to start i am non military. But i think having vets automatically cleared as members of a unit could be a huge mistake. I know lots of combat vets that are perfectly normal people but there have been a few of my friends and acquaintances who are combat vets who are no longer fit for duty mentaly. that could create a very dangerous situation. Not to mention veterans can be criminals or felons, they are capable of breaking laws after they have served. i want to finish this post with i have nothing but respect for our veterans and i will be forever in debt for their services.

Ok...

1) Larry: I personally thank you for your service to this country. If this country had more men like you we would be a better place. That being said, if you are now unable to maintain certain physical standards (and the standard I sugest is not written for a full time soldier) than perhaps you can best serve the movement by operating in a support role. A field unit is only as strong as it's weakest member. That is not an insult, it's a fact. You have a working understanding of military operations, and could very easily man an operations center and provide C2I for your unit. 

2) Logan: I am not suggesting that anyone get a free ride or a pass into any unit. You know that the 42nd requires a criminal background check and a probationary period. I would suggest the same for all units, In my time with the movement I have seen bucktoothed rednecks with sawed off shotguns, felons in possession of firearms, and white supremacists. A screening process is absolutely necessary for the confidence of other units' commanders. But that is not what I meant.

What I meant by that statement is that combat training standards should be written by people with experience in combat.

3) Minuteman: I am fully aware of the Lightfoot Standards, Their current level one standard is a direct copy of the 42nd AIG's. I know bacause I gave it to them, at their request.

All I ever suggested is that no one be given a free pass with no questions asked, yes a $12 background check for people who have served would be more than enough for my approval. Even though you have went out of your way to offend me i will still be here to help represent the 46th SOC. call me stupid and inexperienced I will still go out and train every opportunity I get .

Trail, Larry Lee said:

I'd like to gently remind you that Major Robert Rogers of "Rogers Rangers" was arrested several times and considered to be a "Felon".  As far as a "Felon" what are you going to do about those who've gotten all their rights back?  Ban them too?

 

But since you're that worried about them, then I propose that as a requirement of being in the Milita they pay their Commander the $10 or 12 dollars required for a Washington State Patrol background check.  Will that fix your quesiton?


 
Logan [46th SOC] said:

i think you missed the point of what i said, that or you are a felon and not happy that i said that we should watch out for criminals. are you in favor of having felons in our ranks?.
 
 

I agree with you on that. In fact I suggest everyone is vetted.

Now, in all honesty, I'm not sure how you are offended. If you are offended, that I assure you that you are misinterpreting something. I have done nothing to knowingly offend anyone.In candor, I recommend some thicker skin. I am not your enemy, and you are not mine.

I am not a member of a paramilitary regime security force training day and night to hunt you down and kill you. I am not the collectivist seeking to take what is yours and redistribute it to those who have not earned it. But they are out there, some are even silently sitting on this site recording everything. These people play for keeps and are winning this fight. They have a 70 year head start on us and are better organized and funded that we can ever hope to be. They also all move in the same direction.

I suggest everyone remembers that.Let's not get caught up in fighting about meaningless things and get this done. If you are offended, then get over it and move on. This is for real and the stakes are high.

Greetings everyone, I think you all might be coming at this from the wrong direction as someone already stated the Light Foot have a great set of standards. In several units of the state have already adopted them and made adjustments so they can be used in Washington state. Sometimes it's nice to think that reinventing the wheel will somehow make it better other times it's easier to just get in the car and drive. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and remember this is a volunteer militia so making or at least trying to get all units to adopt a single set of standards may prove difficult. It might just be a whole lot easier to ask every unit to start off with the base set of standards like the Light Foot ones and then make adjustments as needed for their unit, that's what we've done here in Idaho and seems to work well for us. Capt. Kevin K.

Let's do it brother.

Sounds like Capt. K and I will be hosting a unit summit. All units interested in being a part of this, it's time to speak up.

Good shit Larry!

Let's make this happen.

Yep....how does May look for folks?

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My feeling is you can't completely vet someone with a 12 dollar background check. Our enemy is not a felon... our enemy is an agent provocateur or infiltrator. The best defense against that is to not do anything stupid or illegal. The US Army let felons join during the Iraq war. They let in people with gang and KKK tats. Look at our enemies. Fucking Haji has some old broken ass mother fuckers causing all kinds of shit for our joes. The Vietcong used drug dealers and prostitutes to gather HUMINT. My feeling is if you can fight you can fight. I don't give a rats ass if you can pass a PT test. The thing to remember here is that to be effective we are not going to be a direct action humping tons of gear patrolling downtown Seattle. We need to adopt unconventional tactics. My standard is simple. Do you want to take up arms to protect this country against all enemies foreign and domestic? Yes? Then join up. Once bullets start flying I could give a rats ass if the guy next to me is a Vice Lord gang banger on his third strike for selling dope to kids. I don't care if he is 70 year old with two artificial hips. If you can put lead in tyrants I want you on my team. I preferably want Veterans. It would be nice if you are a super stud. We all have a place in this fight. Let's not fight internally. Guess what... The media isn't going to like us no matter what we do. If you are picking up what I am laying down then enlist at www.uscrow.org. Larry you are welcome to join. 

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